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curserwigger · Aug 22, 2005, 03:46 PM // 15:46

To avoid people that like to scam after the update I have been selling a lot of stuff right to the merchants. Unless it's something really worth it I look up the prices first then make sure I am getting a good enough deal.

After I thought about these people with over 1mil gold, I was thinking what's the point? I have just under 400k and that was all made fairly. Now I am sitting there thinking, hmmm what I am gonna do with this money. Why do people brag about I made $XXX today from farming. What do you need all that money for? Play the game and enjoy it, you will get all you need for your characters just from the drops you get even if it takes you a while.

And for those that think scamming is so neat and are proud of it, I just am not going to bother saying anything to you. Do whatever you want, people just can't seem to get through to you anyway.

PanicAcid · Aug 22, 2005, 03:51 PM // 15:51

The best scam so far for GWs was the "OMG DUPLICATE YOUR CDKEY" one.. Heres how it went.

" My friend has just figured out the algorythm for the CDkeys and the majoraty of them work TWICE! all you have to do is take your CDkey and add 5 to every number, then go down 3 in the alphabet for each letter. Ie say your origional key is "II46-S364I" You take 2 letters down from I wich is G and add five to your number so for 4 it's 9 and heres what you should end up with "GG911-U8119G" Note you must do this with an unused key and It totally works perfectly. However you are having anyproblems send me the NEW key you generated using this algorythm (don't send out the origoinal key to ANYBODY not even GuildWars would ask to see this) Email me the new one at BLAH BLAH AT HOTMALE.COM" Now any genious would have realised that all he would have to do is add 5 to all the numbers and go up 3 in the alphabet and have your origional key.. A verry well thaught out scam tough that I'm sure lots of people fell for.

Drinking Frog · Aug 22, 2005, 04:06 PM // 16:06

Vigilante,

Scamming someone in the game is scamming that person in real life. Until you understand that, there is little else to say.

DFrog

Hickory · Aug 22, 2005, 04:25 PM // 16:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drinking Frog

Vigilante,

Scamming someone in the game is scamming that person in real life. Until you understand that, there is little else to say.

DFrog

Agreed. The same ones laughing at scamming unsuspecting kids today will be laughing at scamming unsuspecting old ladies tomorrow.

fezz47 · Aug 22, 2005, 04:38 PM // 16:38

You know what? Im an old guy and I got scammed the first week playing the game. So to say it's usually 12 yr. olds isn't always the case.

In my case it was just ignorance. (which btw in case many of you don't know, doesn't mean you're stupid, just that you're not familiar with something).

Anyway I was selling something and this guy told me he couldn't see the item. I thought maybe it was a bug in the game or something so this person says, "just hit accept" which I did. Of course he ran away laughing all the way to the bank. Lesson learned, and it will never happen to me again. This person ran away so fast it was actually funny. But if you're not familiar with this genre, this kind of stuff is gonna happen regardless of your intelligence. Some people such as myself just generally trust people, which I suppose IS a form of stupidity nowadays.

But to the guy who started this post. I'm not sure how or why you would get satisfaction from hearing stories such as this. Apparently you have the IQ of Einstien, and this kind of thing could NEVER happen to such an obviously brilliant individual!

The Hated · Aug 22, 2005, 04:47 PM // 16:47

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

I buy wood from people for 10g each...it feels like a scam because I turn 5 of them into 100g in less than 2 minutes....

5 wood planks 50g
20 gold to process into parchemnt 20g
Time to run to pikens, and to return to droks to sell it is not worth 30g profit

bassadori · Aug 22, 2005, 05:01 PM // 17:01

wat the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO r ecto's?

Paine · Aug 22, 2005, 06:20 PM // 18:20

FFF_WarRaven

1. I was beeing sarcastic
2. There has already been 1000-threads about this.
3. Use the search button.
4. Google is your friend 4 threads like this
5. It's their own fault for beeing scammed. Most of the scams out there triggers your brain to say "There's something wrong here" and usually you know what it is but you still take the risk. I can write a full guide how to avoid scammers but I guess you n00blets never learn. Written 3-5 .txt file guides how to avoid scammers and I won't waste my time again.

And yes, I have nothing against good newbies but wannabe n00bs deserve to get scammed for real.

Count Feanor · Aug 22, 2005, 06:22 PM // 18:22

To say that "this is just a game" just doesn't cut it. You are not the only one playing this game. In many cases, you are interacting with other people. When you scam someone, you are stealing from them. You are stealing the time it took them to get whatever was stolen and their enjoyment of the game. I use words like "Fraud" and "Stealing" because that's exactly what scamming is. Someone needs to put it into perspective for people who scam. It's not ok because "it's just a game."

Count Feanor · Aug 22, 2005, 06:30 PM // 18:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paine

FFF_WarRaven

1. I was beeing sarcastic
2. There has already been 1000-threads about this.
3. Use the search button.
4. Google is your friend 4 threads like this
5. It's their own fault for beeing scammed. Most of the scams out there triggers your brain to say "There's something wrong here" and usually you know what it is but you still take the risk. I can write a full guide how to avoid scammers but I guess you n00blets never learn. Written 3-5 .txt file guides how to avoid scammers and I won't waste my time again.

And yes, I have nothing against good newbies but wannabe n00bs deserve to get scammed for real.

So I suspect that if someone ever scammed you out of all your possessions and money (in the real world) that you would do nothing about it, since "you deserved it" for being scammed? Point is: No one deserves to be scammed. Not a one.

kirkmping · Aug 22, 2005, 06:57 PM // 18:57

i hope this thread doesnt turn into a flame war like the "Too Biased?" thread did. Anybody who read that thread knows what im talking about.

Also, you will not get scammed if you look at what the other person is trading you before you hit ok. Take 2 seconds and see if the numbers add up, and put your curser over the items to make sure they are the ones you wanted in the first place. Simple precautions.

Count Feanor · Aug 22, 2005, 06:59 PM // 18:59

Too late.

EverBlue · Aug 22, 2005, 07:01 PM // 19:01

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And yes, I have nothing against good newbies but wannabe n00bs deserve to get scammed for real.

Yay!

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So I suspect that if someone ever scammed you out of all your possessions and money (in the real world) that you would do nothing about it, since "you deserved it" for being scammed? Point is: No one deserves to be scammed. Not a one.

When I put my couch in the trade window, and forget to check the price when I ask for 1k, and end up with 1 gold, then I will change my point of view.

Count Feanor · Aug 22, 2005, 07:09 PM // 19:09

When I put my couch in the trade window, and forget to check the price when I ask for 1k, and end up with 1 gold, then I will change my point of view.

[/QUOTE]

?I'm not really sure what you are saying here. Once you get scammed, then you'll be convinced that no one deserves it? Or are you in the "it's just a game" category? Or both?

Incubus Nin · Aug 22, 2005, 07:20 PM // 19:20

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Originally Posted by Vigilante

I think you will love this. My brother invented/started/perfected most of the scams in this game, along with starting and making ~1mil off sigil scamming

The best scam I have seen, ever, is:
Player A Has a 15-28 15%>50 Stormbow, gold.
Player B convinces Player A to put the bow up, in exchange for his "fissure armor", aka regular 15k armor. He puts up 100k and agrees to paying the rest in 100k payments, up to 1.8 million.
Player A hits accept.
Player B Whispers him saying "Buhbye!" and walks over and buys new 15k armor

I win? I soooo want -10 ectos.

The thread was for stories of victims not of the people who do the scamming. A very sad day when people who needs to feel superior by doing something immoral. A note to the scammers, if you think you can repeatedly get away with it just remember that all the people you just scammed are reporting you, so say bye bye to your account

There maybe some justice after all.

EverBlue · Aug 22, 2005, 07:36 PM // 19:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Count Feanor

?I'm not really sure what you are saying here. Once you get scammed, then you'll be convinced that no one deserves it? Or are you in the "it's just a game" category? Or both?

My point is, we're all human beings. If you get scammed, it is your own fault. Unless you can PROVE it isn't. Every single scam post I've read, is because people are trusting runners, or falling for something stupid, or not checking the item/price. Last week someone tried to sell me "black dye", which just looked black. He wanted 8k for it. I moused over the "dye" to confirm, and realized that it wasn't what I wanted. I closed the trade and walked off.

We're all human beings. No one is better then the other. If you get scammed, it's because you're not keeping an eye out for these things.

Count Feanor · Aug 22, 2005, 07:59 PM // 19:59

My point is, we're all human beings. If you get scammed, it is your own fault. Unless you can PROVE it isn't. Every single scam post I've read, is because people are trusting runners, or falling for something stupid, or not checking the item/price. Last week someone tried to sell me "black dye", which just looked black. He wanted 8k for it. I moused over the "dye" to confirm, and realized that it wasn't what I wanted. I closed the trade and walked off.

We're all human beings. No one is better then the other. If you get scammed, it's because you're not keeping an eye out for these things.[Quote]

No one is better than another, you are correct. But someone has to take a stand. The reason I'm upset about this not so much that these things continue to happen (which is sad), but that it seems accepted by people and blamed on the "newb" or "idiot" who "deserved it" because he wasn't paying attention. I agree whole-heartedly that people need to pay attention to what they are doing. However, "being human" is no excuse for the deed. Yes, we make mistakes. But do we walk away and say, "Oh well, it was my fault anyway" without confronting this behavior? No.

Beta Ray Bill · Aug 22, 2005, 08:52 PM // 20:52

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Originally Posted by EverBlue

We're all human beings. No one is better then the other. If you get scammed, it's because you're not keeping an eye out for these things.

But does this mean a person deserves it? I still find it hard to believe that due to someone's ignorance (ie. lack of knowledge/familiarity, not necessarily stupidity) they deserve to get taken (ie. swindled, robbed, hoodwinked, etc.).

If you were shopping and got rung up for an item that was $10 more than the price listed, would you raise a stink about it after you discovered the error when you got home? Would you go back and try to get a refund on the overcharge or just sit there and say "lesson learned." The only real difference here is that the exchange happens between parties who likely have no recourse for correcting a transaction gone bad.

In the real world we have arbitrators who can act on our behalf with greater power than we have. In GW, we have no one. (ANet doesn't have the resources to deal with virtual fraud effectively, so in essence they are useless as a judge.)

Still, as I've said, 'tis good advice to take transactions slowly. Because we are "on our own," it would behoove the buyer to take "caveat emptor" very seriously.

Onito · Aug 22, 2005, 10:17 PM // 22:17

lol, in my newb days i sold a golden long bow with great stats.. anywayz,i didnt know it was "t3h h4XoR 5hi73" so
I asked one of my freinds who hade finished the game and was kinda exp. about the game.
I really wanted to ask a officer in my guild, cause i knew he knew alot about GW and stuff.... I remberd hom telling others about prices and shit in the guild.

So i asked this guy..
ANd told me that it was like worth,. maybe 5k,. or something like that,..
I knew gold iteams were "good" and u could gett alot of money, alot of money in that time was about 10k for me :/

So, i was kinda scared to sell it cause i was getting greedy at that point (XD) and thought i could gett more then 5k.

So this ranger girl in,.. cant rember,. i think it was Lions Arch wanted this bow,. se told me it was okay,.. But she would buy it for 8k.
So i said YES right away, and traded it to her.

Just like 5 minutes after this, the officer that i told u about logged in
I told him i hade sold this bow for 8k, and i was soooo happy ^^
He asked me that stats of it, so i told me
Suddenly he begain goin' "OMG, OMFG!!"
And i said, whats wrong?
He said: U really wanna know?
Me: Yeah, i wanna KNOW!!!!!1111
He: U just sold a bow to a ranger for 8k that u could have sold for 50k

....

Anywayz, this was just stupid of me,. and n00bish,. but when i think about it now i laugh reall much XD

oh, also,.. around that time a sold the bow i bought 2 Sup Memser for 5K ^^

fezz47 · Aug 22, 2005, 10:27 PM // 22:27

I agree with you wholeheartedly Bill, and well put.

The trouble I see with this post is the original creator of it, (although there was at least a hint of sarcasm in his statement), and other people that seem to agree with his opinion. Getting entertainment from stories of other people losing either money or items through scammers just seems to me a bit sick. I only related my story to get to the point at the end of my response to it.

The only other game in this genre I've played was Asherons Call 2 for about a month prior to GW, and I wasn't scammed once in that game. While I feel GW is a far better game overall than that one, at least that games community felt pride in the game and the people playing it. The one person I heard that did scam others in AC 2 (in my limited time playing), was blackballed by the players in-game and was so hated
no one would even talk to the person.

Unfortunately, GW has such a huge player base (which also unfortunately seems to be comprised mostly of either punk type 12 yr. olds or mentally stilted adults), that I doubt that type of community will ever happen with GW.

Aug 22, 2005, 05:01 PM // 17:01	#47
bassadori Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: W/R	ecto's? wat the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO r ecto's?

Aug 22, 2005, 06:20 PM // 18:20	#48
Paine Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Clan Plus [Plus]	FFF_WarRaven 1. I was beeing sarcastic 2. There has already been 1000-threads about this. 3. Use the search button. 4. Google is your friend 4 threads like this 5. It's their own fault for beeing scammed. Most of the scams out there triggers your brain to say "There's something wrong here" and usually you know what it is but you still take the risk. I can write a full guide how to avoid scammers but I guess you n00blets never learn. Written 3-5 .txt file guides how to avoid scammers and I won't waste my time again. And yes, I have nothing against good newbies but wannabe n00bs deserve to get scammed for real. Last edited by Paine; Aug 22, 2005 at 06:22 PM // 18:22..

Aug 22, 2005, 10:27 PM // 22:27	#60
fezz47 Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005	I agree with you wholeheartedly Bill, and well put. The trouble I see with this post is the original creator of it, (although there was at least a hint of sarcasm in his statement), and other people that seem to agree with his opinion. Getting entertainment from stories of other people losing either money or items through scammers just seems to me a bit sick. I only related my story to get to the point at the end of my response to it. The only other game in this genre I've played was Asherons Call 2 for about a month prior to GW, and I wasn't scammed once in that game. While I feel GW is a far better game overall than that one, at least that games community felt pride in the game and the people playing it. The one person I heard that did scam others in AC 2 (in my limited time playing), was blackballed by the players in-game and was so hated no one would even talk to the person. Unfortunately, GW has such a huge player base (which also unfortunately seems to be comprised mostly of either punk type 12 yr. olds or mentally stilted adults), that I doubt that type of community will ever happen with GW. Last edited by fezz47; Aug 22, 2005 at 10:31 PM // 22:31..

Aug 22, 2005, 03:46 PM // 15:46	#41
curserwigger Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Columbus, WI Guild: Scions of the Forgotten Empire Profession: Mo/	To avoid people that like to scam after the update I have been selling a lot of stuff right to the merchants. Unless it's something really worth it I look up the prices first then make sure I am getting a good enough deal. After I thought about these people with over 1mil gold, I was thinking what's the point? I have just under 400k and that was all made fairly. Now I am sitting there thinking, hmmm what I am gonna do with this money. Why do people brag about I made $XXX today from farming. What do you need all that money for? Play the game and enjoy it, you will get all you need for your characters just from the drops you get even if it takes you a while. And for those that think scamming is so neat and are proud of it, I just am not going to bother saying anything to you. Do whatever you want, people just can't seem to get through to you anyway.

Aug 22, 2005, 03:51 PM // 15:51	#42
PanicAcid Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Bringers of Chaos Profession: E/Mo	The best scam so far for GWs was the "OMG DUPLICATE YOUR CDKEY" one.. Heres how it went. " My friend has just figured out the algorythm for the CDkeys and the majoraty of them work TWICE! all you have to do is take your CDkey and add 5 to every number, then go down 3 in the alphabet for each letter. Ie say your origional key is "II46-S364I" You take 2 letters down from I wich is G and add five to your number so for 4 it's 9 and heres what you should end up with "GG911-U8119G" Note you must do this with an unused key and It totally works perfectly. However you are having anyproblems send me the NEW key you generated using this algorythm (don't send out the origoinal key to ANYBODY not even GuildWars would ask to see this) Email me the new one at BLAH BLAH AT HOTMALE.COM" Now any genious would have realised that all he would have to do is add 5 to all the numbers and go up 3 in the alphabet and have your origional key.. A verry well thaught out scam tough that I'm sure lots of people fell for.

Aug 22, 2005, 04:06 PM // 16:06	#43
Drinking Frog Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Aug 2005	Vigilante, Scamming someone in the game is scamming that person in real life. Until you understand that, there is little else to say. DFrog

Aug 22, 2005, 04:38 PM // 16:38	#45
fezz47 Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005	You know what? Im an old guy and I got scammed the first week playing the game. So to say it's usually 12 yr. olds isn't always the case. In my case it was just ignorance. (which btw in case many of you don't know, doesn't mean you're stupid, just that you're not familiar with something). Anyway I was selling something and this guy told me he couldn't see the item. I thought maybe it was a bug in the game or something so this person says, "just hit accept" which I did. Of course he ran away laughing all the way to the bank. Lesson learned, and it will never happen to me again. This person ran away so fast it was actually funny. But if you're not familiar with this genre, this kind of stuff is gonna happen regardless of your intelligence. Some people such as myself just generally trust people, which I suppose IS a form of stupidity nowadays. But to the guy who started this post. I'm not sure how or why you would get satisfaction from hearing stories such as this. Apparently you have the IQ of Einstien, and this kind of thing could NEVER happen to such an obviously brilliant individual!

Aug 22, 2005, 06:22 PM // 18:22	#49
Count Feanor Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hellsing Organization or... RIGHT BEHIND YOU!! Guild: The Royal Priesthood Profession: N/W	To say that "this is just a game" just doesn't cut it. You are not the only one playing this game. In many cases, you are interacting with other people. When you scam someone, you are stealing from them. You are stealing the time it took them to get whatever was stolen and their enjoyment of the game. I use words like "Fraud" and "Stealing" because that's exactly what scamming is. Someone needs to put it into perspective for people who scam. It's not ok because "it's just a game."

Aug 22, 2005, 06:57 PM // 18:57	#51
kirkmping Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Brothers of the Blood Profession: W/N	i hope this thread doesnt turn into a flame war like the "Too Biased?" thread did. Anybody who read that thread knows what im talking about. Also, you will not get scammed if you look at what the other person is trading you before you hit ok. Take 2 seconds and see if the numbers add up, and put your curser over the items to make sure they are the ones you wanted in the first place. Simple precautions.

Aug 22, 2005, 06:59 PM // 18:59	#52
Count Feanor Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hellsing Organization or... RIGHT BEHIND YOU!! Guild: The Royal Priesthood Profession: N/W	Too late.

Aug 22, 2005, 07:09 PM // 19:09	#54
Count Feanor Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hellsing Organization or... RIGHT BEHIND YOU!! Guild: The Royal Priesthood Profession: N/W	When I put my couch in the trade window, and forget to check the price when I ask for 1k, and end up with 1 gold, then I will change my point of view. [/QUOTE] ?I'm not really sure what you are saying here. Once you get scammed, then you'll be convinced that no one deserves it? Or are you in the "it's just a game" category? Or both?

Aug 22, 2005, 07:59 PM // 19:59	#57
Count Feanor Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hellsing Organization or... RIGHT BEHIND YOU!! Guild: The Royal Priesthood Profession: N/W	My point is, we're all human beings. If you get scammed, it is your own fault. Unless you can PROVE it isn't. Every single scam post I've read, is because people are trusting runners, or falling for something stupid, or not checking the item/price. Last week someone tried to sell me "black dye", which just looked black. He wanted 8k for it. I moused over the "dye" to confirm, and realized that it wasn't what I wanted. I closed the trade and walked off. We're all human beings. No one is better then the other. If you get scammed, it's because you're not keeping an eye out for these things.[Quote] No one is better than another, you are correct. But someone has to take a stand. The reason I'm upset about this not so much that these things continue to happen (which is sad), but that it seems accepted by people and blamed on the "newb" or "idiot" who "deserved it" because he wasn't paying attention. I agree whole-heartedly that people need to pay attention to what they are doing. However, "being human" is no excuse for the deed. Yes, we make mistakes. But do we walk away and say, "Oh well, it was my fault anyway" without confronting this behavior? No.

Aug 22, 2005, 10:17 PM // 22:17	#59
Onito Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Death Boring Sweden Guild: Clan Plus Profession: Mo/Me	lol, in my newb days i sold a golden long bow with great stats.. anywayz,i didnt know it was "t3h h4XoR 5hi73" so I asked one of my freinds who hade finished the game and was kinda exp. about the game. I really wanted to ask a officer in my guild, cause i knew he knew alot about GW and stuff.... I remberd hom telling others about prices and shit in the guild. So i asked this guy.. ANd told me that it was like worth,. maybe 5k,. or something like that,.. I knew gold iteams were "good" and u could gett alot of money, alot of money in that time was about 10k for me :/ So, i was kinda scared to sell it cause i was getting greedy at that point (XD) and thought i could gett more then 5k. So this ranger girl in,.. cant rember,. i think it was Lions Arch wanted this bow,. se told me it was okay,.. But she would buy it for 8k. So i said YES right away, and traded it to her. Just like 5 minutes after this, the officer that i told u about logged in I told him i hade sold this bow for 8k, and i was soooo happy ^^ He asked me that stats of it, so i told me Suddenly he begain goin' "OMG, OMFG!!" And i said, whats wrong? He said: U really wanna know? Me: Yeah, i wanna KNOW!!!!!1111 He: U just sold a bow to a ranger for 8k that u could have sold for 50k .... Anywayz, this was just stupid of me,. and n00bish,. but when i think about it now i laugh reall much XD oh, also,.. around that time a sold the bow i bought 2 Sup Memser for 5K ^^